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Reduced to AshesA Phoenix to Arise


By techgnotic






If something burns your soul with purpose and desire, it’s your duty to be reduced to ashes by it.


Charles Bukowski









Today, Lady Gaga’s throne as a reigning pop diva is a 24 carat gold wheelchair, emergency hip surgery forcing the cancellation of her latest tour – a betrayal more devastating for her than for the typical performer, given her relationship with her fans. Her body has finally broken in sacrifice to the needs of her monsters for constant contact and reassurance. The question now is whether this brutal brush with her own mortality will result in the pop goddess pulling back from the edge – or only drive her to new heights of spectacle and influence?



In a time of


tumult and tragedy, it does us well to consider that it is also a time of wondrous change for the better, a time when prejudices and nonsensical prohibitions burdening humankind for more than a millennium are withering away and being thrown off with astonishing speed. The election of a black president in the United States, the upheaval in Arab countries and the global normalization and shift from mere tolerance to full acceptance of LGBT citizens are all examples of beautiful promise.






why now? Has the average person’s ability to analyze the results of scientific inquiry and the elevation of the democratic model of debate and governance finally reached a tipping point in driving back the forces of backwardness and darkness? Might be. But not likely.


It’s the Internet. Not in the obvious sense of Wikileaks and 24 hour news cycles that incorporate Tweets and Instagrams directly from the core of the action; but because the Internet doesn’t forget anything and continues as a force of memory, inspiration and, more importantly aspiration. The vast storehouse of the Web puts people in constant touch with the iconic pop idols and imagery of their pre-cynical selves so it remains fresh in front of mind.  They are not permitted to forget what they learned from rock and roll and what they learned from pop art.











The real agents of change today may be the pop culture people fell in love with early on influencing their lifestyles, along with attitudes and thought processes for decades later. The iconic images and music of John Lennon or Jimi Hendrix for one generation held forever in the their hearts and minds may have more to do with how they vote (or take to the streets) than the actual arguments of any political parties or charismatic agitators. Amazing to think that John Lennon wrote a song called "Imagine" with lyrics that are considered as dangerous today as the day it was first released. Those early cultural influences that come off as anti-social are preserved and shot back through the Internet re-igniting the taste for making it real.


Perhaps this is why so much energy is expended by the establishment in mocking and dismissing pop heroes intellectually even as they rake in the profits they make from those stars. They want kids and punks to buy the product – but to forget the message of peace and love (or anarchy and death) being indelibly tattooed in the corners of their consciousness.


The new permanence of what was considered fluff and stuff gives new relevance and immediacy to the current trendsetters and voices of this generation. It may seem to go by fast but in fact it stays around a lot longer. If you don’t delete your deviation on deviantART, it will be there, in practical terms, always.








Reign of Gaga, Goddess of Monsters





Over the past five years Lady Gaga’s core message radiating out across the universe and energizing her devotees is a radical redefinition of beauty, self-esteem, and aesthetic artistry delivered in a truly unique environment that she masterfully constructs and controls. This unique-in-our times environment can only be described as a full acceptance without comparison to an “other.” A social construct of true equivalency, no one better, no one less, than the next in line. "So the last will be first and the first shall be last." In times of stupendously mind-numbing waves of predictability washing over all of us from within every pop medium imaginable and with the public at large being drowned in self-esteem killing marketing pitches, that can only be described as predatory at best, Lady Gaga has built a safe place to be precisely, exactly, who you are.


There is a real distinction in her humanity, in her tribalism with no messaging; an essential calibration of a sweeping inclusionary message of love with daring invitations to dream big in her lyrics. The first half of her equation we have all heard before. You can be anything you want to be. The Gaga twist is that Lady Gaga is asking you to believe that this statement is absolutely true despite the particular cards you were dealt from the great, unforgiving, deck in the sky – all without the self-beautification tools the system demands you purchase. This is no mere minor modification.







Art communicates through emotion, not through rational understanding. This is where art gets its power to reach the whole world. We are all connected through emotion.


ElenaHelfrecht




Make no mistake, no matter how much money, power, adulation or success Lady Gaga has amassed over the last few years, she still must endure the war on women that her fans endure along with all of the disdain reserved for an artistic outlier. Her weight, her looks, her sexuality and her skills in self-promotion have all been twisted into  weapons used against her – to mock her influence and try to put her “in her place” and out of the “serious” pop narrative.











My Religion Is You.


Lady Gaga





But The Lady Gaga experience goes beyond her recordings, her videos, her performances and outrageous personal appearances. She makes a genuine effort to practically apply the message of unity in the monster community she promotes in her art. She provides counselors and self-esteem building experts at her shows for her fans free of charge. If you were down, feeling depressed, being bullied, or just needed a question answered about life there is an opportunity for comfort offered for everyone that comes to her show, anonymously.








When Lady Gaga came to London last year I cried as she sang Bad Kids. She told how when she wrote Born This Way her producers told her she was marketing to a niche audience and how it might not be wise to do so. Then she spread her arms and said: "This stadium seems like a pretty big fucking niche!", and that's how it felt.

To be aware that thousands of people around you felt every bit the outcast you did, made you feel normal again. Made you feel empowered and creative instead of like you were missing something that made you average.

It made you feel special, and as an artist - it feels pretty good to feel special instead of lacking.


BloodshotInk



In the last couple years I have fallen out of interest with her work since it lost a lot of its bubblepop charm and turned more to shock value for relevance.


I learned from Gaga to stay true to your artistic vision and what makes you unique and appeal to your fans. Changing constantly is a gamble, and trying to become someone you aren't to become relevant to a new audience is sure to make you look like a tool.


I also learned the very transient nature of fame, and the importance of protecting your work from theft. I was very excited when she retweeted my fanart, but then it was stolen and reprinted many times, even tattooed on multiple people without my permission. This is an issue that affects a lot of people on deviantART.


Yamino



The Born This Way Foundation that she built with her mom as a co-founder is powered by a phenomenal mission statement and unmistakable passion for moving humans from fear to bravery, from self doubt to self worth. This work goes on whether or not there is a tour happening or new songs are being released. Instead of just simply joining some fancy-flashy people in St. Barth's on vacation until the next marketing push rolls around; the promise of real help and real answers continues long after the show is over through this foundation and it's outreach activities.






There are very distinct connections between being a Monster and a deviant. A direct connection is that deviants "deviate from the norm", which equally (but partially) defines what Lady Gaga and her fan base represents. DeviantART is also the home to many fans of Lady Gaga, one of the many things that keeps us here is the continuous production of Lady Gaga inspired artworks. These inspired artworks allow the fans to view their idol in endless ways.


bradleysays














The title to her next collection of songs and media that is to be released sometime in 2013 will be



Art Pop


Anticipation
electrified.












Lady Gaga will continue to manipulate the psychic vanguard of pop art, willing it to fit the needs of her music and her philosophy of a new sensibility amongst the masses. She covers her tour bus and green rooms with fan art.  Her entire presentation leans on visual references drawn from rich resources of collaboration with true artists at all tiers. Lady Gaga’s vision would redefine beauty in all of it’s forms and contexts and as it’s defined by community for a new age.  Her inclusiveness emulates the process we see everyday on deviantART where artists of every medium and stage collaborate and support each other openly and graciously.


Can Lady Gaga stage this at a new level uniting the world’s artists into a new power of influence? Lady Gaga has become a warrior for the replacement of the mathematical algorithms deciding “beauty” with, instead, the sincerity of intent between humans yearning to love free. Sincerity of intent is what her relationship with her “monsters” is all about. Lady Gaga can tap a new sincerity for beauty.







The Gaga Difference: The militancy of her demand for self-identification and self-expression. We live in a time when the masses, particularly those who are still young, are demanding the reality of democracy, equality and personhood in nation after nation. No more promises, no more rain-checks. In Christ-like fashion (employing much Italian Catholic faux-operatic and religious iconography) Lady Gaga has sacrificed herself as the model upon which her church has been built – a safe environment for all her “monsters” to gather and celebrate their otherness and oneness.





Lady Gaga is not just the context or agent for change.  She and her monsters and all of their art may come to represent the change itself.








All this points to a real evolution in the relationship of entertainers, artists, writers and fandom. Gaga is NOT just the next exaggeration of pop excess and canned rebellion. The Beats, the Hippies, the civil rights workers, the early feminists and other social revolutionaries of the 1960’s and 1970’s in politics, culture, art and music left much behind and they are reminded of this all the more by the echoes from the vast storehouse of the Internet. As much as they lay claim to in terms of influence, many social taboos remained going forward including our modern struggle for LGBT rights and the increasing unfair separation of the “haves” and the “have nots.”




Lady Gaga posted a video on YouTube calling her state Representative to show her support for the repeal of “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell.” Soon after, Little Monsters began posting videos of themselves calling their Representatives. The law was repealed. Lady Gaga and her fans are a tremendous force together.


DarthPoe







Under everything, Is Just Another Human Being.


“Just breathe” - Eddie Vedder









Is Lady Gaga The Monsters' Jean Grey?


Once there was a mutant named Jean Grey. She died in defending a fellow mutant, only to be resurrected by the Phoenix Force – the ultimate power for good in the Universe.









From a very young age, she was recruited into a team to help defend mutant-kind against those who would do away with those who were considered strange and different. As she grew, so did her powers, and so did the threats against her. Jean was soon recognized as one of the most powerful and important mutants in the world, and many attempts were made to harness both her powers and her genetic material. Mr Sinister, a brilliant, twisted scientist and a mutant in his own right, was determined to use Jean to create the future of mutant kind.





Jean had incredible powers, but she was only human. Like so many other mutants, she lost her life in defense of mutant rights and, ultimately, the greater good of the world. Family, friends and teammates mourned her loss, but death was not the final chapter for Jean Grey.


She had been chosen by an ancient force, the Phoenix Force, to rise again and serve as a protector of not just mutant kind, but all intelligent life in the cosmos.


The seeds of sincerity, non-cynicism and self-sacrifice that Gaga is sowing in youthful hearts may one day bloom in a love and respectful revolution with great impact. She is our Phoenix Force.


“ARTPOP” may be her “Sgt Pepper’s” and deviantART will cheer her rise from the ashes with a further avalanche of fan art and fan fiction exploding her message into the history of the Internet. As far as the distinction between messengers and messages are concerned, we are all flawed, all of us hopefully living our lives in a way that benefits humanity while still serving the selfish mission of making this journey on the EarthSphere as bearable as possible. I like people who endeavor to rise above their flaws for as long as they can each day. It’s not easy to be here.


In no way is this a May Crowning for Lady Gaga. We are not holding the pop culture achievement ceremonies or the sentimental artist awards here on deviantART. We are showcasing an incredible gallery of fanart and acknowledging Lady Gaga in the construction of a fellow community in a convergence of art, beauty, and aesthetic redefinition of a generation's self-esteem-battered constituents.









Questions



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Is Lady Gaga in the pantheon of pop stars whose message is greater than the effervescence of pop?




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Do you think the “establishment” consciously tries to degrade and devalue the significance of artists, i.e. attempting to portray them as eccentric, non-serious, possibly put-ons and phoneys?




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If you are an artist, have you experienced attempts to paint you as a “non-serious” person – and certainly not one whose ideas on politics, economics, etc., could possibly be taken seriously?






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Do you think you are the person you are today partially because of the singers and songs and artists and comics you love?




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Do you think the Internet, twitter, etc., revolution is accelerating change around the globe as much because of the dissemination of the arts as the dissemination of political information?  Are they equally necessary calls to human freedom?








Can Lady Gaga stage her comeback from the ashes and unite the world’s artists into a new power of influence?Lady Gaga will continue to manipulate the psychic vanguard of pop art, willing it to fit the needs of her music and her philosophy of a new sensibility amongst the masses but the real agents of change today may be the pop culture people fell in love with early in their lives influencing their lifestyles, attitudes and thought processes.

Writers: $techgnotic
Designers: $marioluevanos
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Caitala Featured By Owner Jul 16, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
This is AMAZING :D
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grqjoyeux Featured By Owner May 30, 2013
great!!!
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MystiqueSue Featured By Owner May 27, 2013
What is the heading Font used in this article?
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Port Family: [link]
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InsanelyCute Featured By Owner May 27, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Mmmmhhh... so much about love and tolerance... :-) !
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SaleneRose Featured By Owner May 26, 2013  Hobbyist Artist
I've never been a huge fan of Lady Gaga, but seeing people comment on this, completely ripping her apart, is just horrible. She stands for so much and so many people look up to her as an idol, these people who feel the need to tear her down are just fueling the fire. The people who love her look to your hate and use it as a way to express their strong opposal. Lady Gaga is creating something beautiful, so haters prepare to have your words thrown in your face when her "Monsters" finally get fed up and fire back.
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MarloweBWest Featured By Owner May 24, 2013  Professional General Artist
...You Have Every Reazon To Adore And Worship Her...or...Be Jealouz Of Her...Ha !!!...Besidez Being The Most Exciting, Energetically Talented And Beautiful Creature Alive...Lady Gaga Iz The Warrior Queen...Az Jim Morrison Iz Still (and alwayz will be) The Lizzid King !!! ...Gaga Iz Our Modern Day Joan Of Arc...Not A Myth...Not Some Thing To Be Told About Or Read About In Yearz To Come...Nor Some Thing To Be Torn Apart, Dizrespected or Ignored...A Saint...She Existz Right Here And Now...Very Vizibly Amongst Uz All...Like It Or Not...Her Very Exiztenze And Influenze Haz Already Been (and shall continue to be) Beneficial To The Massez...She Haz Splashed Life In The Face Of A World So Lazily Over-Run With (and by) Crabby, Complaining, Ungrateful, Unappreciative, Brain-Washed, Chip-On_their-Shoulderz, Tired Old School, Would-Rather-Be-Sleeping Moanerz...She Lookz Different All The Time...but...Izz Never In Dizquize...She Izz Right There In The Open...In Broad Daylight, Starlight, Moonlight, Spotlight...Radiant From Within...Her Generousity Izz Genuine...Her Love Izz Universal...and...If Anyone Of You Would Rather Roll In The Dank, Dark And Moldy Old, Used-To-Be-Over-And-Done World...well...Who Should Be Be Bothered...Memberz Of The Other Breed Are Un-Necessary Now...and...WE Do Not Need To Tolerate Them Any Longer...Go Crawl Back Into Your Stinking Cavez... Ha !!! ...MBW...
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...You Have Every Reazon To Adore And Worship Her...or...Be Jealouz Of Her...Ha !!!...Besidez Being The Most Exciting, Energetically Talented And Beautiful Creature Alive...Lady Gaga Iz The Warrior Queen...Az Jim Morrison Iz Still (and alwayz will be) The Lizzid King !!! ...Gaga Iz Our Modern Day Joan Of Arc...Not A Myth...Not Some Thing To Be Told About Or Read About In Yearz To Come...Nor Some Thing To Be Torn Apart, Dizrespected or Ignored...A Saint...She Existz Right Here And Now...Very Vizibly Amongst Uz All...Like It Or Not...Her Very Exiztenze And Influenze Haz Already Been (and shall continue to be) Beneficial To The Massez...She Haz Splashed Life In The Face Of A World So Lazily Over-Run With (and by) Crabby, Complaining, Ungrateful, Unappreciative, Brain-Washed, Chip-On_their-Shoulderz, Tired Old School, Would-Rather-Be-Sleeping Moanerz...She Lookz Different All The Time...but...Izz Never In Dizquize...She Izz Right There In The Open...In Broad Daylight, Starlight, Moonlight, Spotlight...Radiant From Within...Her Generousity Izz Genuine...Her Love Izz Universal...and...If Anyone Of You Would Rather Roll In The Dank, Dark And Moldy Old, Used-To-Be-Over-And-Done World...well...Who Should Be Be Bothered...Memberz Of The Other Breed Are Un-Necessary Now...and...WE Do Not Need To Tolerate Them Any Longer...Go Crawl Back Into Your Stinking Cavez... Ha !!! ...MBW...

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...You Have Every Reazon To Adore And Worship Her...or...Be Jealouz Of Her...Ha !!!...Besidez Being The Most Exciting, Energetically Talented And Beautiful Creature Alive...Lady Gaga Iz The Warrior Queen...Az Jim Morrison Iz Still (and alwayz will be) The Lizzid King !!! ...Gaga Iz Our Modern Day Joan Of Arc...Not A Myth...Not Some Thing To Be Told About Or Read About In Yearz To Come...Nor Some Thing To Be Torn Apart, Dizrespected or Ignored...A Saint...She Existz Right Here And Now...Very Vizibly Amongst Uz All...Like It Or Not...Her Very Exiztenze And Influenze Haz Already Been (and shall continue to be) Beneficial To The Massez...She Haz Splashed Life In The Face Of A World So Lazily Over-Run With (and by) Crabby, Complaining, Ungrateful, Unappreciative, Brain-Washed, Chip-On_their-Shoulderz, Tired Old School, Would-Rather-Be-Sleeping Moanerz...She Lookz Different All The Time...but...Izz Never In Dizquize...She Izz Right There In The Open...In Broad Daylight, Starlight, Moonlight, Spotlight...Radiant From Within...Her Generousity Izz Genuine...Her Love Izz Universal...and...If Anyone Of You Would Rather Roll In The Dank, Dark And Moldy Old, Used-To-Be-Over-And-Done World...well...Who Should Be Be Bothered...Memberz Of The Other Breed Are Un-Necessary Now...and...WE Do Not Need To Tolerate Them Any Longer...Go Crawl Back Into Your Stinking Cavez... Ha !!! ...MBW...

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...You Have Every Reazon To Adore And Worship Her...or...Be Jealouz Of Her...Ha !!!...Besidez Being The Most Exciting, Energetically Talented And Beautiful Creature Alive...Lady Gaga Iz The Warrior Queen...Az Jim Morrison Iz Still (and alwayz will be) The Lizzid King !!! ...Gaga Iz Our Modern Day Joan Of Arc...Not A Myth...Not Some Thing To Be Told About Or Read About In Yearz To Come...Nor Some Thing To Be Torn Apart, Dizrespected or Ignored...A Saint...She Existz Right Here And Now...Very Vizibly Amongst Uz All...Like It Or Not...Her Very Exiztenze And Influenze Haz Already Been (and shall continue to be) Beneficial To The Massez...She Haz Splashed Life In The Face Of A World So Lazily Over-Run With (and by) Crabby, Complaining, Ungrateful, Unappreciative, Brain-Washed, Chip-On_their-Shoulderz, Tired Old School, Would-Rather-Be-Sleeping Moanerz...She Lookz Different All The Time...but...Izz Never In Dizquize...She Izz Right There In The Open...In Broad Daylight, Starlight, Moonlight, Spotlight...Radiant From Within...Her Generousity Izz Genuine...Her Love Izz Universal...and...If Anyone Of You Would Rather Roll In The Dank, Dark And Moldy Old, Used-To-Be-Over-And-Done World...well...Who Should Be Be Bothered...Memberz Of The Other Breed Are Un-Necessary Now...and...WE Do Not Need To Tolerate Them Any Longer...Go Crawl Back Into Your Stinking Cavez... Ha !!! ...MBW... [link]

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xelanesque Featured By Owner May 23, 2013
Lady Gaga is the devil, why should I care about what she does. And deviantart, I am tired of seeing articles of this crazy wench in my inbox. I made it clear I am not intrested in this contest!
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InsanelyCute Featured By Owner May 29, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Err... no. She isn't the devil. She is one of his slaves. And one of his most effective in the entertainment industry, I would think. But she has no real power and I believe there are far less people real fans of her than the media might make you think.
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MisterSlowNiko Featured By Owner May 28, 2013  Hobbyist Photographer
The Devil? xD
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makepictures Featured By Owner May 23, 2013
There is no contest. If Lady Gaga is crazy then we should all choose this path in our art.
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faeorain Featured By Owner May 24, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
She doesn't appear to be crazy to me, however, I feel we all need to choose our own paths as artists.
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jdmacleod Featured By Owner May 23, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Go back to the articles about Hieronymous Bosch and J R R Tolkien. That or find some other more suitable material to promote, why not do a peice on Emily Carr or even Maud Lewis if you want to be taken seriously.
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MachaTriumphant Featured By Owner May 23, 2013
How much are her publicists paying you, for this nonsense. Gag-gag is noting but boring Illuminati trash. Foul, vulgar, and BORING.

Why is any-oe wasting their breath on ashes? Throw it in the ash heap

PAY ATTENTION to the REAL world. Not cheap ugly whores like Gag Gag. How about those barbarian African throwback Muslims, who just murdered a White Enlgish soldier, in his own native land, while he was collecting for charity? That's something that MATTERS.
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Rose-sary Featured By Owner May 22, 2013
Like seriously DA? why do you send this to my mail (>_<)>, I enjoy the art featured here, and all the other inspiring articles, but his is shameless promotion for a pop artist and you are trying to elevate this person to a higher level than that. I respect her for what she does, but "her message" is not actually hers, it's been done before. She just does it in a flamboyant way and to me she only looks for ways to shock people with her visual concepts and unfortunately that has become vulgar and tasteless.

Sorry DA, but you should write and promote artists from DA who are unseen but do have incredible talent!!
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ancientscars Featured By Owner May 27, 2013
This is almost to the letter my feelings about Lady Gaga. Sure, she is talented, but the commercial pop machine has their hooks deep in her carcass. As it is, she's just a vulgar version of Madonna, who is, in her own way, also a bit on the vulgar side of things. We have a king of pop, but I've yet to see a queen of pop (not counting Elton John). Elevating Lady Gaga to the status of music goddess is nothing short of vomit inducing.

More articles on art and less tripe about fallen stars.
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jdmacleod Featured By Owner May 23, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
You've got some great stuff yourself there! Seriously, not just diving for brownie points. At least there are some sensible people on this forum.
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Rose-sary Featured By Owner Jun 19, 2013
Oh my!! sorry for the late reply! thank you so much :meow:. It's actually been a while since I posted something here, but I appreciate you took your time and looked at my art.
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jdmacleod Featured By Owner Jun 20, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
No problem, Really enjoyed them :D
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Kymipele Featured By Owner May 22, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Mother Monster will always rise, although she has not fallen in my eyes. I wear my pride proudly and will for the rest of my life as my dominant hand has "Born This Way!" tattooed across the top of it along with 2 paw prints, and the memorial for my cat Perry who has passed away. I have my reasons of course for my choices in ink. I have to say the lyrical value is what ultimately attracts me to music and Lady Gaga has by far nailed it for me over and over again.
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paulvcassidy Featured By Owner May 22, 2013
If something burns your soul with purpose and desire, it’s your duty to be reduced to ashes by it.
Charles Bukowski

Nice quote and I reckon he's right but as for this reading. While he appears to be making the point that the Lady in question was a natural born whore it might also be said that he was portraying the mind of a natural born pimp. About the same attitude applies to child sex grooming and induction into the servicing of sexual deviants. A disturbing piece really. As the ego muses on it's own intellectual abilities it is being observed though the lens of media and of time. Words once thought witty, insightful and acerbic come back to bite us back: Jaws Part 666. Perhaps I'm being harsh but that quote was what took me on the search in the first instance.

Just wondering why Lady GaGa would use that quote given the intense misogyny of the piece. But then that was many moons ago. Lady Gaga is really a cultural icon something more than just pop which ain't bad in and of itself.

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coolx75 Featured By Owner May 22, 2013
But her music sucks. Message of Lady Gaga? Give me a break.
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jdmacleod Featured By Owner May 22, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Ok, so how is this world famous pop star going to "unite" artists? Are we to believe that if we like lady Gaga or attune to sense of style and fashion that we will be more respected in some art community that she supposedly created? What is the point of this article and why is it still running. I don't believe that an internet site that revolves around visual art would be so engrossed with shameless promotion of an already world famous pop star, why don't you just start talking politics? I agree about the artists, great work. I think you should move on to some greater things though, although I in no way enjoy seeing another human being in pain, it is time to let go of the fantastical and see that the surface is just that. Underneath it we are all human, let her family worry about her medical condition.
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Trisarahtopzz Featured By Owner May 22, 2013
Why should the article not be running???
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jdmacleod Featured By Owner May 23, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I could go the other way and say why should it be running? Especially when other more important contests and articles were drawn to a close so quickly? Why not do a tribute to some of the other artists or actors who have had tragedy intrude on their lives lately? Like how about a tribute to Ray Manzarek or Angelina Jolie? It's been here for awhile, just a observation.
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Trisarahtopzz Featured By Owner May 23, 2013
I already know you want to hear about other people. Its easy, you just click the red x on the advert in your inbox about this article and then you go to google and you find articles about those people! You are not obligated to read everything that pops into your inbox.
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jdmacleod Featured By Owner May 24, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
lol, I know. I've been googling for quite some time... ah the information super highway. I just wish I was getting more inboxes about Gene Roddenbury or interesting oddities from the world of Mad Magazine. That is where the innovative ideas to do with acceptance of differences and accepting your fears about things alien to us began, and in the latter (Mad) the perfection of satirical comedy and parodies. I don't know, I guess I am just miffed at peoples lack of patronization to the greats of the past. I appreciate your sarcastic comic relief, however, it is a much better way to deal with such artistic insurgents as myself... better than cursing at me and speaking in a groveresque angry tone...
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Trisarahtopzz Featured By Owner May 24, 2013
You use these forums to feel a sense superiority amongst your peers don't you?
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jdmacleod Featured By Owner May 25, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I guess that is how you could put it.
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faeorain Featured By Owner May 22, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
I think they might mean why is it still being promoted. I can't speak for others, but I have to guess that I can't be the only one who received this message twice, both when the journal was originally posted, and again earlier this week.
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Trisarahtopzz Featured By Owner May 23, 2013
Is clicking the little red x really that difficult though? The post has been long gone from my inbox for a good while now thanks to that red x but i do check the page and OP's page occasionally because i enjoy their work and the fanart featured in this piece. I just can't wrap my head around why so many people feel the need to sit here and continue to say horrible things about this just because its heavily Gaga influenced. :stare:
tldr; It's okay to not like Gaga what is not okay is to push your opinions down the throats of others.
Live and let live.
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faeorain Featured By Owner May 23, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
Is stating your opinion about the subject, and then walking away really all that difficult? Your hypocrisy is blinding. I was simply explaining what the person might have been referring to. If you've taken notice, that was the only comment I made, and it certainly wasn't negative. Just offering a possible explanation. However, I've seen your name pop up more than a few times while reading some of the posts, and if anyone qualifies under someone pushing opinions down others throats, you'd be a candidate at the top of that list. Check your mirror please. If the negative stuff bothers you so much, then why do you keep coming back to the thread to debate with everyone who doesn't share your opinion? You need to step back and stop obsessing...it's not healthy.
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Trisarahtopzz Featured By Owner May 23, 2013
Look I'm not going to walk on eggshells to make anyone feel better but there are people who are posting regularly on this thread just to be obnoxious. Which is worse; someone taking time out of their day for something they enjoy and love or someone taking time out of their day to constantly knock and drag someones dA post simply because "there are better people to write about"??
I come back because i wish to abolish hate.
Though it seems this community thrives on it.
I've stated many times it's okay to NOT LIKE GAGA
I'm positive you guys would see things differently if someone were posting horrible things on articles of people you admired.


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faeorain Featured By Owner May 23, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
You've just stated " you guys " to me, in response to a post that I made, thus lumping me in with others who have made negative comments, whereas I've clearly stated, I've done no such thing here. Of course it's okay to not like Gaga...or anyone for that matter. But deep inside, you must not agree with that statement completely, or you would not keep returning to debate with people over her. You aren't abolishing hate by doing this. If anything, it's only fanning the flames even further.

Also, hate cannot be spread to those whose hearts are not already open to it. It's not as if someone who likes Gaga will come to this thread, read something negative, and then decide they now hate her. It doesn't work like that. If they can turn to hate that quickly and easily, then they were already waiting to take hold of it anyway.
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Trisarahtopzz Featured By Owner May 23, 2013
oops i casually typed you guys :(
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Trisarahtopzz Featured By Owner May 23, 2013
Wow someone took my post a little too personally.
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faeorain Featured By Owner May 23, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
I really do feel bad for you that you don't realize the extent of your obsession. Do you even realize how many times you've commented on this journal? When you put yourself out there like that, and make statements about others pushing opinions down other peoples throats, you should be sure you aren't guilty of that same act yourself. I'd suggest you take your own advice...live and let live. State your opinion on the subject, and let others state theirs without trying to debate them out of their opinion, and just let it be. Sure, you have the right to debate with people here if you like, however, the minute you choose to do that, you lose your right to complain about people forcing opinions upon others, or else you just end up looking like a hypocrite.
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Trisarahtopzz Featured By Owner May 23, 2013
Please state when have i been guilty of pushing my opinion down someones throat.
The logic of this community is amazing
I can state my opinion IM ALLOWED BUT NOT OP!!!!
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RaceyjaseyAP50 Featured By Owner May 22, 2013
I like Lady Gaga, and enjoy many of her songs. However, if you've been around for a while, you'll spot that most of what she does and makes is highly derivative. That much said, most art in general is derivative, whether we are aware of it or not. We all draw upon external influences, but we bring a small unique spark of ourselves into the process; that's what keeps things interesting. Lady Gaga does this too.
However ...
$techgnotic, that was the most asurdly hyped-up pile of hyperbole and stacked adjectives that I have EVER READ!!! And I've worked in conceptual art, for heavans sake! I mean really, whoever you are, get a grip!

Some great bits of visual art, though. Keep up the fabulous work, guys! :-)
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KayIscah Featured By Owner May 22, 2013  Professional General Artist
This article is so long I go bored and skimmed the last part. "So the last will be first and the first shall be last." is a Bible quote... she didn't originate it.

I wish Lady Gaga well with her recovery and that this may inspire some depth to her music. I respect her desire to be a social activist and ability to connect with her fans, but that's different than creating meaningful and classic songs.

1. No. Most of her lyrics are pretty vapid and/or toxic when you actually look at them.

2. Which "establishment"? The pop industry has tried to make idols of them. Perhaps we need some counter balance to remind us they're people?

No mistake some artists are "eccentric, non-serious, possibly put-ons and phoneys" but it's dangerous to dismiss any group based on the actions of a few. ... though honestly what's wrong with a pop star being eccentric and non-serious? Music can be deep and meaningful, but it can be pure fun too. ...and many eccentrics are also deeply intellectual.

3. Unfortunately I've hit this issue more as a "female" than an "artist"...

For artists, I think part of this is a left brain / right brain issue. Artists tend to be right brained, while analytical people tend to be more left brained. (brain halves aren't that neatly divided, take it as metaphor) Emotive vs. Analytical is a different style of communication. I'm impressed by artists who can bridge the two.

4. Absolutely, there are lots of great songs that kept me going through my teen years. Plenty since then that have inspired me and alternately soothed my mind.

5. They're accelerating change. As for freedom... with freedom there comes responsibility. If you're irresponsible with how you spread information then you cast a net of lies and half-truths that actually interferes with freedom.
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Lanajoker Featured By Owner May 22, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
I really like her. But she is saying to us (young people) to love ourserlves and the same time wear these lot of makeup and cover herself with these clothes. I dont get it.

I think we are tired of all this things, I mean, including her expensive costumes.

The new times is related to nature, to simple things, is enough of this fancy stuff.
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reinhardtkenneth Featured By Owner May 22, 2013  Student Photographer
Mother Monster had been a great influence through these past 5 years, she had been a great role model into believing in yourself and she had also made campaigns to defend children with bullying and some sort. I actually started being an artist after boyfanning over her, she really just opened my eyes towards the reality against art, and choosing a path to believe in artistically. She had helped me through my darkest times and years, and she finalizes her love by adding her potion of no hatred. She really is just an artist that clearly has the world revolutionized.
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bloodify Featured By Owner May 22, 2013  Student Digital Artist
Gaga is great, but her little monsters are incredibly delusional and can be extremely aggressive as well. Sort of like Beliebers...
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Wakagi-chan Featured By Owner May 22, 2013  Student Writer
I have nothing against Lady Gaga, but this article is truly disturbing. dA, what happened? First that "artists-can-rule-the-world" article, and now Lady Gaga being presented as a magnificent phoenix. :(
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T-DA2 Featured By Owner May 22, 2013  Professional General Artist
To be honest I really don't think much of "Lady G" as to me she comes across as "David Bowie" in drag! And having many musically inclined friends some famous some not "We" agree that for the most part she is all shock and no value...but if thats what it takes to get the attention you want etc...go hard but where is the durability in your design (some tunes ok)....Your thought(?) "the real agents of change today may be the pop culture people fell in love with early in their lives influencing their lifestyles, attitudes and thought processes." seems rather uninformed in that all this revolution of thought through a pop/music star etc is new...have a look at those people that raised you do they look like they got what they wanted? Ask them...and if not why aren't they still fighting the good fight? The following has to be about 10% of the pop to evoke change and then the course has to promoted continuously until it happens but you have to "Un-scare" people. "mans fear of loss is greater than his desire to/for change".....
Now as far as this article is concerned-
1) if this is the best she do with her cash to get my attention she is paying the wrong promoters as its been done before.
2)Yes artist have always been refered to as flakey, and rightfully so...otherwise the fed would loose control and we can't have that ...all those people thinking.. free thoughts, dreaming real dreams..and actually realizing them(god forbid we can't have that no, no ,no)
3) absolutley, I get that all the time. Whats funny about that is for most of my life I have the time to dig into the things most folks don't have the time to do..ie; politics...I read alot, am quite well informed and don't watch scripted tv news without a liberal grain/truck load of salt, so when the topic of politics comes up most people just spew what pop media has been misinforming them with so needless to say its in the feds interest to label us as we have the time(often for some) to delve into the real facts.
4)Music makes the world go round as does the rest of the worlds creative force and it affects most things it touches, but I cannot take Miss Gaga anymore seriously than the "Hamburgler" or "Ronald Mc Donald or David Bowie"...(Your not doing yourself any favours with regards to being taken seriously with all the clown garb and make-up, you'd prob be taken more seriously if you just dropped your pants in the middle of an intersection imho). You may have the attention of the bubble gum crowd but unless they are allowed to vote it won't make any dif and by the time they can they'll have given up trying to change the world.. just as our beer/wine swilling rocker/hippie parents. (look at Madonna now sure she has some cash but no influence nor does Alice Cooper,Dee Snider, Boy George, Kiss, Cindy Louper, I could go on).
5) sure the interweb/twitter land is great for spouting but if most people are too worried about their crap jobs to actually do anything w all the great idea's and actually take a stand en-mass then for the most part the only change you'll see is cooking and cat/dog pics. The net is an important part of our world today and for it to be censored is like gagging the "free press" btw thats already done. The Associated Press at this point is pretty dead news wise to and so freedom of the web is essential and in all reality soon it'll be our only way for real news (& potential truths). The"Feds" should stop trying to herd cats and perhaps get back to the biz of keeping us employed w a roof over our head and food in our bellies as well as being well looked after when sick etc
To miss Gaga if your reading this...crappy about your hip hope it mends up well...great idea/work w the support stuff you & mom do. I hope/suggest with all the new free time you have, try (& perhaps subversively as that would seem so far to be the only safe way) to affect some of the change our societies need. We also need a little bit more sophistication and integrity and a bit less arbitrary, hedenistic epicurianism. If you can balance that out you'll be just fine. But what do I know I'm just an artist! lol ...Just sayin!
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Wamakai Featured By Owner May 21, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
I have very mixed reviews about Gaga. I wouldn't be the first one in queue for a ticket to her concerts because (and I shouldn't be judged for this) I feel like she's a bit weird. Her music is awesome but the videos, much as they try to step put of the normal loop and review that art is dynamic and all (which is good), they creep me out a little. Also If I was her fan, I would have a problem with being called a little monster (which is maybe why I'm not?). And that thing about a relifion is also making me very uneasy about her music. This is again a personal opinion and nobody should give me grief about it.
I do understand that she loves her fans and I like that. I like that she's challenging 'normal' and that she's probably bringing something new to the plate. i like that her fans have a decent support system and that she cares about them. Her lyrics (mostly) make sense too. I like what she's doing but my problem is with how she's doing it. It leaves me with a few question marks.
I am no authority on right or wrong and I certainly have no rights to judge anyone for anything. She just makes me a little uneasy.
Whatever it is she's going through, I wish her the very best and I hope she pulls through it. Whether Gaga is good or bad is up to the future to let us know. Whatever our opinions about her music, her videos, her dressing style etc., she is still human. Let's try to remember that and remember to treat her as one, okay?
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ZombieVomit619 Featured By Owner May 21, 2013  Professional Traditional Artist
Thanks for the junk mail DeviantArt...
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3Dasha Featured By Owner May 21, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
I can't see why this article appears in my inbox again.
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